Seeker : Does God exist?
Sirshree: Some say yes. Some say no. But, both are incorrect. The reality is that “only God exists”. The real question is that do you exist. You think of yourself as something different, but is it true?
Seeker : How is God?
Sirshree: How do you think He will be: Does He have any form? Or is He formless? Or is he formless with the potential to manifest?
Seeker : I think that the second one is correct ...
Sirshree: Will a layman give more importance to ornaments or to gold?
Seeker : Of course – to ornaments.
Sirshree: Similarly, people always give more importance to form and shape. But for the goldsmith, both gold and golden ornaments are the same.
Seeker : Where is God?
Sirshree: You choose from these three answers: He is within. He exists externally. Both in and out.
Seeker : I guess the third one.
Sirshree: Exactly. For Him in and out makes no difference. The difference is only in our contrast mind[1].
Seeker : Then where to seek God?
Sirshree: You tell me. If he is both in and out, then where should you seek Him?
Seeker : Maybe “in” would be easier.
Sirshree: Precisely. Even if you seek Him outside, you will ultimately reach within. We look out into the mirror (an external source), but what it does is just to reflect us as we are. All idols and religious symbols stand for only one reason– to take us within. Then only do temples serve their purpose.
Seeker : If God is within, then who created God? How was he born?
Sirshree: Do you think God can die?
Seeker : No, absolutely not.
Sirshree: Only one who is born dies. The one who doesn’t die cannot be born either. God is beyond life and death, beyond time and space, beyond all perception and beyond every imagination.
Seeker : Then when did the world come into existence – this world that God created?
Sirshree: When the world was created?" -- this question is to do with time. But the concept of time came after the world was created. Do you understand? Are you getting it?
Seeker : Yes. Somewhat.
Sirshree: Actually what is important is – What "was" before time? Because that which was before time always existed, exists and will always exist. That’s the reason for the Final Truth Discourses.
Seeker : Then what should one do? What next? So is the first step that of getting liberated from anger and other such aversions. If so, I cannot do it. I have tried several times, but all in vain.
Sirshree: No, the first step is to know your true self. Get stabilized in your true self. First attain the bright happiness within. Once you are in that bright happiness, that ecstatic bliss- anger dissolves automatically.
Seeker : Then who am I?
Sirshree: One is that "I" what people think of me to be. One is that "I" what I think of myself to be. One that "I", which in future I want to become. In reality, you are beyond all these. Don’t try to know this in words – know by being there. Being is knowing. Not by being the body, not by being the mind.
Seeker :Will I understand these deeper truths of life? Can I fathom the depth of it?
Sirshree: Why not?
Seeker : But, how?
Sirshree: First you have to understand the mind – the mind that has shadowed the truth. This mind has many facets – all of them can be broadly classified under seven categories. These, I call the seven legs of the mind. With understanding, the seven legs will automatically break.
Seeker : How can I break these legs quickly?
Sirshree: This is the mind that is saying it. The mind in itself cannot make the mind fall.
Seeker : Then what should I do?
Sirshree: Attain understanding. Walk with me step by step. Give an hour every week for listening, for understanding. Listening to the Final Truth Discourses. Listening will bring forth understanding. Then “understanding in action” will emerge. Eventually, you will discover the pearl – the pearl that has been covered by the oyster. Pearl means truth. The mind is referred to as an oyster – which has thick layers of desires and cravings. That keeps drifting between the past and the future. But it cannot remain in the present. Understanding through listening will break the shell and the pearl will be revealed. So, are you ready for listening?
Seeker : Yes, of course.
Sirshree: Thank you for the opportunity to be of bright service to you.
Sunday, December 28, 2008
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